Analyst: Accountancy to blame for Touch fee

updated 09:50 am EST, Fri February 8, 2008

Accountants and Touch fee


The $20 fee charged for the complete iPod touch upgrade is a necessary evil of accounting, claims financial analyst Charles Wolf of Needham and Company. The upgrade brought with it applications already on the iPhone, such as Mail, Maps and Weather, prompting many to wonder why Apple would charge for something that would be so easy to put on the Touch, particularly given Apple's history of releasing free updates.

The free version of the v1.1.3 software, which mainly improves security, even contains the extra apps as a part of its 165MB download. But, says Wolf, "It's an accounting requirement that if you upgrade a device that's not on a subscription, you have to charge." This is why the iPhone's enhancements have all been free, and why forthcoming Apple TV ones will be as well -- although any fees for the device are one-time only, it has been classified as a subscription product under SEC filings. No such classification has been made for iPods.

The Touch fee also has a precedent in the form of another software update, which permitted Macs to connect with Apple's 802.11n base stations. That upgrade only cost $2 however, and it is not clear why the company would have to charge a full $20 for changes to the Touch. Analyst Ross Rubin of NPD suspects that it may be a means of recovering the costs of developing the software in the first place. "Think of it like iLife," says Rubin. "It's free if you buy a new Mac, but if you already own a Mac, you have to pay for an upgrade."


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  1. testudo

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    fee

    except the software already existed on the iPhone, so there's no reason to think they'd need to charge $20 to cover the 'costs'.

    And this is why Apple won't be adding (at least for free) in Time Machine backup to an AEBS (even though they said it would work in the leopard advertising), because they'll have to charge for it.

    And where is the line drawn on these things? Would Apple have to charge for adding any extra feature to it's OS? Wouldn't even the simplest thing, like adding support for some RAW image format, be upgrading the capabilities of both the OS and your mac, and thus requires a fee?

    h***, isn't even updating iWork or iLife to work on Leopard adding capabilities to the software that wasn't present beforehand?

  1. slider

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    WiFi Location

    I think the upgrade is $20 instead of $2 b/c Apple probably needs to pay a fee per device to that WiFi locator service. It has been speculated on a few times and makes sense. For Apple to use the service, they get a fee for every device sold. Since the previous Touch's profits/costs has already been accounted, the locator charger had to be levied on previously sold devices. The accounting fee thing doesn't make sense to be b/c Apple issues OS upgrades all the time for free and they are not on a subscription AND the often include new features, though I guess the OS is just software and not a "device.

  1. apple4ever

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    BS

    No, its BS. You don't have to charge a fee to upgrade a device. The law is not meant to harm consumers in this way.

  1. Terrin

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    Except

    Assuming this correct, which arguably it may be, there is nothing that states the amount Apple has to charge.

    For instance, Apple could charge a dollar.

  1. Bartman

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    great accountants

    sounds like great accountants (if you are apple).. but seriously, what about apple tv? isnt it basically an ipod for your tv? apple tv 2.0 software is given away free (which really surprized me) and apple should gave away the touch's software.. someone is plain greedy

    Bartman

  1. 64stang06

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    RE: bs

    Agreed. According to MacWorld, Apple even admitted to the 1.1.3 update having the software included, you just need to pay the $20 to "unlock" them.

  1. ZinkDifferent

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    Wow, Armchair Accountants

    It's funny to see you armchair accountants argue over what Apple *ought* to to do, and *should* charge.

    - Apple could add Time Machine support to AEBS, not because it was claimed to be there, but because the failure to work with AEBS can be classified as a bug, more than anything else. Either way, they won't, most likely. The direct attached drive of Time Capsule is a better solution.

    - Why aren't they charging $1, or $2 for the new features? There's something called 'perceived value'. You'll learn about it when you start leaving your mom's basement.

  1. Johnny Niles

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    Better solution?

    Time Capsule is a great solution, but not for people who already own an AEBS, so that argument is flawed.

  1. dmsimmer

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    Deceived Value

    1. Paying $400 for this product was my choice, but then having to pay $20 for its software is fraudulent.

    2. It's not iLife. It's an iPod. It would be like comparing Tang to and Orange.

    3. The term "necessary evil of accounting" is neither necessary nor accounting.

  1. dmsimmer

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    EDIT

    ...Tang to an orange.

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