iPhone 2.0 firmware already jailbroken?

So, if you want to play around with the iPhone or add functionality, you can't have your AT&T account and phone activated. Not so useful, IMHO.

Here's a thought- why not just do it the way it was meant to work, through the SDK. And btw, can you not download the SDK and use it for yourself without a certificate? I was under the impression you only needed the certificate to post to the app store...

The iPhone in its current incarnation is proving so valuable to me that I'd never risk a jailbreak type hack. I'm a writer and anything that has the potential for data loss is something I'll avoid. BTW, I'm 55000 words into a novel, written on the iPhone that rides clipped to my belt, all in spare time and in odd locations. I wrote three novels on my Newton and this is even easier.

I don't understand why MacNN keeps running these kinds of items. No one really wants a hacked iPhone because doing so will result in lost features, loss of data, old firmware, less-then-value for your iPhone. So why does MacNN keep promoting the folly to begin with? Stop NN, readers are tired of it.

Here's a thought- why not just do it the way it was meant to work, through the SDK. And btw, can you not download the SDK and use it for yourself without a certificate? I was under the impression you only needed the certificate to post to the app store...

Sorry, there is ONLY one way to get an app on the phone, and that's through the app store (unless you pay Apple $99 to become a developer for the 'privilege' of loading it, although it is unknown how that will work, and why bother, since if you've paid the $99, you can put it on the store).

One hopes some entrepreneurs will come out with a service to funnel your apps through so you don't have to pay the money, but Apple will probably block that.

No one really wants a hacked iPhone because doing so will result in lost features, loss of data, old firmware, less-then-value for your iPhone. So why does MacNN keep promoting the folly to begin with? Stop NN, readers are tired of it.

What lost features? What lost data? I've not heard of either with the previous jailbreaking.

And apparently there are people who are interested, otherwise why would anyone be doing it? And Apple's draconian "We will control what can and can't be put on the iPhone" doesn't sit well with people who believe that, since they bought it, they should be able to do what they want with it.

Because, its MY phone, and if I want to put unapproved apps on it, I should be able to. Sure, the AppStore is nice, and great. But I should also be able to load whatever app I want onto my iPhone. With the AppStore, I can't make or use apps that use the Dock connector, bluetooth, or any number of other uses Apple doesn't approve of.

The SDK is a good start, but its not the end. The iPhone is a great platform, but it has a lot more potential. It won't realize that until Apple finally lets go of the grip it has ove rit, and opens it.

With the jailbreak crowd it's all about THEM, not the end user. The people who do this stuff are almost always egomaniacs looking for attention. Their whole goal is to be able to say "LOOK AT ME!" They don't care one iota about the people using their crap much less whether their code voids warranties, disables features, bricks the hardware. The end users who install this stuff are their willing victims. It's not about needing or using some new feature or app. It's not about being productive either. It's about being able to stand up in a crowd and say "LOOK AT ME!"

Pathetic really but then that's why they still live on their parent's basements.

With the jailbreak crowd it's all about THEM, not the end user. The people who do this stuff are almost always egomaniacs looking for attention.

Yes, as opposed to Steve Jobs, he's never about ego or attention (I just had to).

Maybe you didn't realize this, but the jailbreakers are also the end user, so they do care (and any and all hacks I've seen give out severe warnings about what could go wrong).

It's not about needing or using some new feature or app. It's not about being productive either. It's about being able to stand up in a crowd and say "LOOK AT ME!"

Do you even understand jailbreaking? It is an attempt to allow you to add applications you want/need to the iPhone. As much FUD as you pass around, can you back it up with actual proof of diabling features? I'm not even sure how one can 'lose data' on an iPhone, since it all syncs from your mac anyway.

And there you have it. Its all about "me me me" and to hell with the other guy. "I want the world to see me me me and if I muck it up for everyone else, too bad."

The iPhone and its technology belong to Apple and not to anyone else but Apple. You pay for the privilege of having it and if you want to muck it up for yourself then by all means, pay the money and twirl on the thing. What you aren't going to find here are people who sympathize with your determination to destroy the product for the rest of us.

So I've had a jailbroken phone since shortly after the jailbreaks came about. As new iPhone updates and new jailbreaks came out, I would wait a week or so and then take the plunge. The only time I have ever experienced a loss of data was when I forgot to sync my photos before updating one time.

What have I gained from having a jailbroken iPhone? Well certainly not an ego boost, but I have gained the following:

1. The ability to use my phone as a wireless storage device through AFP 2. Flawless last.fm integration 3. Internet radio (even works on Edge) 4. GREAT games (iSolitaire, Backgammon, Mahjong, iCrossword, Tris, and many more) 5. Instant Messaging (that even works in the background) 6. Great little toy apps to play with like Pianist and Drummer

and really a lot more - these are just the highlights of what some very talented individuals have came up with - even without an SDK.

So how exactly are these folks destroying your iPhone? Are you afraid Apple is just going to shutdown any third party development at all or something?

Why should you expect to pay to develop for the platform? It's ridiculous! In fact, I don't know why they even have the Apple developer program. Let's give those poor, poor third party developers a break. And since they'll find out a way around the official system how about giving me a discount on that game? Maybe just releasing it for free? Gaming companies can afford it right? How about application companies? Hey! What gives Apple the right to charge for an iPhone. It should be free!